Trust Your Inner Wisdom: A Conversation with Cheryl Brewster | 006

Trust Your Inner Wisdom: A Conversation with Cheryl Brewster | 006

How do you learn to trust yourself when life feels uncertain and everything around you seems to be changing?

For women navigating midlife, transformation can bring moments of fear, self-doubt, and a longing for clarity. Cherie Ashana welcomes intuitive leadership guide Cheryl Brewster for a heartfelt conversation about finding your centre amid life's unexpected challenges. Drawing on Cheryl's personal experiences and her work with leaders, they explore the relationship between intuition, self-trust, emotional awareness, and the courage to choose differently.

Together, they consider how pausing, conscious breathing, gratitude, and curiosity may help create space between a difficult experience and your response. Cheryl introduces a playful metaphor of life as a movie, inviting you to notice the roles you inhabit and the stories you may be ready to rewrite. Their conversation also touches on perfectionism, vulnerability, self-compassion, and the power of small, intentional steps.

As you listen, consider: Where in your life are you waiting for certainty, and what might become possible if you trusted yourself enough to take the next step?

“Dear God, help me accept the truth about myself no matter how wonderful it is.”

What You’re Invited to Discover:

  • Why self-trust may become especially meaningful during seasons of uncertainty and transformation
  • A playful way to view your life as a movie and notice the roles, reactions, and patterns you inhabit
  • The possibilities that conscious breathing, gratitude, and curiosity may offer when emotions feel overwhelming
  • What might change when procrastination, self-doubt, or perfectionism become invitations to explore rather than reasons for judgment
  • How courage, gratitude, and conviction can inform the next small step in your journey

About Cheryl

Cheryl Brewster is a neuroscience-informed leadership speaker and facilitator who helps leaders navigate change without burnout or self-betrayal.

Known for her grounded presence, humour, and instantly usable tools, she equips individuals and teams to think more clearly, regulate stress, and make better decisions when it matters most.

In 2004, Cheryl stepped away from a successful corporate career, following an intuitive calling that led her into leadership development. Her journey through multiple family crises and a near-death, out-of-body experience forged a deep respect for forgiveness, focus, and courage; strengths her clients feel the moment she walks into the room. (For grief, transition, and spiritual life support, visit RevCherylBrewster.com)

Cheryl blends neuroscience-based emotional regulation, intuitive intelligence, and ministerial training to create psychologically safe spaces where real change happens. Leaders describe her work as a turning point: patterns of self-sabotage, overwhelm, and reactivity give way to clarity, confidence, and sustainable performance.

Over the past two decades, Cheryl has worked with executives, educators, mental health professionals, government leaders, and corporate teams through keynotes, workshops, and facilitated sessions. She has guest-presented on effective communication skills for the Justice Institute of BC, and worked with municipal governments, unions, and professional associations, and recognized with business excellence awards and an RBC Canadian Women Entrepreneur Award nomination.

https://TheIntuitiveLife.com

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https://www.instagram.com/cherylbrewster_intuitivementor/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/cherylbrewster1/

Resources:

Get your Copy of the 7 Day SacredSHE Reset ebook at https://awakenedshe.com/

Get your Copy of the 7 Day SacredSHE Reset ebook at https://awakenedshe.com/

About the Host:

Cherie Ashana is the author of Sacred SHE Reset, founder of AwakenedSHE, and host of the SacredSHE Reset Podcast. Drawing on her own journey through early menopause, burnout, healing and reinvention, she supports women in midlife to reconnect with their bodies, reclaim their voice and create a life rooted in greater vitality, self-trust and purpose. Her work blends lived experience with holistic practices including breath, sound, somatic healing and her Four Pillars of Radiance Framework: Health, Healing, Happiness and Heart.

Connect with Cherie

https://awakenedshe.com/

https://substack.com/@cherieashana

https://www.instagram.com/cherieashana/

https://www.facebook.com/CherieAshana

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You're listening to the Sacred She Reset podcast. If

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you're a woman in midlife who's done doing this alone and

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ready for real conversations, real wisdom, and real

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radiance, you're exactly where you need to be. I'm your

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host, Sharea Sharna. Your path to radiance starts

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here.

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Welcome everyone. I have a beautiful

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guest with me today. Her name is Cheryl Bruce.

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And she helps leaders lead powerfully through

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uncertainty with clarity, calm, and confidence.

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She blends neuroscience, intuition, and practical strategy

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to help leaders make decisions that matter most.

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With over 2 decades of experience leading and developing people

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across the corporate, entrepreneurial, and nonprofit sectors,

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Cheryl brings deep insight and a practical, heart-centered

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approach to leadership. Her signature intuitive leadership

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system, has helped a variety of leaders regulate stress,

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trust their inner wisdom, and lead with greater impact

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in higher stakes moments. Welcome, Cheryl. It is an

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honor to have you here. Thank you.

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It's my pleasure. And I'm so excited for the conversation we're going to have today.

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Yeah, me too. We've just been chatting, haven't we? And it's, I feel like we

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should have had the record button running already because there was just some beautiful moments.

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But yeah, I feel like everyone's going to enjoy this episode so

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much. And I feel very honored that you said yes. So thank you for joining

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me. This conversation started

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for me, I just felt this was really aligned with Cheryl because we've,

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we're on a very similar path at the same time. And

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Cheryl shared in one of our last calls, it was one of our coaching

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calls where she shared how she's moving through some really big

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changes in her life right now. And as you know, this

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podcast is about moving through the midlife transition

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and where we might be overriding ourselves. And,

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uh, I just felt Cheryl's conversation was going to be really

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important, not only to share the magic that she has for us

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today and her work in the world, but also for

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some of the beautiful women out there that are transitioning through difficult times. And so

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Cheryl, if you had to describe this season of your life right now

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in one word, what would it be?

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Well, in one word, this season of my life is

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transformational.

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Mm. And moving from one level of

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consciousness to another and really

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invoking the word trust.

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Yeah. And You know, we've all had

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experiences where we've had great successes in

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life and also experiences where we're going, I've not

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done this before. I don't know what to do with this.

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So that layer and level of just opening up to the deeper power

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within us and taking time to pause

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and to check in with it and knowing that

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that is not only the most sacred thing we can do, the

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most important thing we can do.

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Yeah. And so much of my life, in

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retrospect, for most of us, I think, is

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where have we abandoned ourselves to take care of

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others or to take care of creating a living?

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And so at this time in history,

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in this critical place in the history

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of humanity, I just feel there's a deeper calling

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for all of us to say, what's my part? What

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can I do? And to really disregard any

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sense of being a victim or any

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sense of being a pawn in someone else's matrix.

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No, I create the reality from my thoughts, my

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perceptions, my viewpoint. So is it the reality I really want to

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create? Yeah, 100%. And I

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feel like that's so fitting to the message I'm sharing with my audience.

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It's so, so aligned straight away. And so

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these, this feeling of trust and transformation

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that's really present for you right now, because I know that you've been moving through

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without getting personal and sharing too much. It's like,

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I know I'm aware that you've been moving through some things.

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And you said something, you said something to me or

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to us on that call, and it was around being able to move through this

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no matter what's happening. And I don't have the exact words.

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And so I'm just wondering where that comes from with you, within you,

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and what, what that's teaching you in this season of your life.

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Like, how is that? How are you working with that energy?

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I'm very, very grateful. for intuition.

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Intuition is something that has literally

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called me out of different circumstances in my life and put me on a whole

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new timeline, a whole new trajectory. Yeah. What I noticed in

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my life was that every time I was in the midst of a breakthrough, something

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catastrophic would happen around me. And

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so I, over many years, this

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pattern started to reveal itself. I'm going, oh,

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Isn't that interesting where this time

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I'm able to hold my center? This time

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I'm able to not go into fear.

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I've got a family member who's really

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struggling right now with some health issues that are,

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within months, they may not be here.

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So it's really compelled me at an

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even deeper level, you know, what is the meaning of my

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life? Am I truly showing up for those that I love? Am I

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truly showing up for myself in the

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way that I

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can have peace with?

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Yeah. And you know, the beautiful part is that through

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many years of application, many years of study, many years of practice

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to be able to come out the other side. And there's been more than one

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event. There's been several where, you know, people's lives are at

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stake, where I'm able to

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be in the energy and

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faith of trust, bigger picture,

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this creative intelligence that has

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brought us into this world. There's a

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bigger picture for all of us and we can trust it and we don't have

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to go into the heartbreak and the sorrow

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and the suffering that we have in the past.

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Yeah, I totally agree with you because I also have this,

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just this, the trust is there and I trust that

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guidance that's coming through from our creator, from the divine.

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And You know, I've been sitting with the question

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lately and even in a few of my own interviews that I've had where I've

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been interviewed about my recent book and talking about

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grief and trust. And it's like, well, how do we cultivate that? Like

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where, so where for you, Cheryl, was that point,

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that crossing over point of like where you perhaps

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were allowing the

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surrounding chaos and everything that was happening in life to

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affect you? So there's like you having this reaction to that.

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Opposed to that now where you find yourself where you're in

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complete trust and you're in this season of your life of

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transformation, you know, because a lot of people will be going, well, how do I

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get there? You know, it's, and we'll talk about some practical value in

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a little while, but more from your own story, like where,

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give us a little bit of backstory, Cheryl, of how you cultivated

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this and how this has become for you. Sure, absolutely.

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You know, I think the defining moment for me

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was what I learned from studying neuroscience,

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which is self-regulation, emotional intelligence. And it's

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been around for a long time. Yeah. A breakthrough moment for

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me was really understanding biology,

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understanding that I have a primal brain that totally discounts the

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positive. And its only

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job is to keep me safe, and it will do so at all costs.

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So, you know, I remember as a young mother with

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my kids, it's like, you know, losing my

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patience and then regretting it. And I

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often wondered like, what's wrong with me? But, you know, I have faith, I have

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trust, and yet why can't I seem to just hold it together? Why am

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I always going into stress? So discovering the

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biological physiological implications of the nervous system

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was just life-changing because

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it was like, oh, that's why I do what I

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do. So learning how to self-regulate, learning how to use the breath,

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learning how to take a moment and pause

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restored this ability to choose.

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Rather than be a victim of my biology,

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rather than be run by raw emotion. So that

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was life-changing. And it took, you know, it took time.

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However, the more I studied it and the more I trained in it, the more

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I began to realize that, wow, you know what? When we

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work with the unconscious mind, these changes

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can happen very, very quickly. And the beauty is

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they're permanent. So

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my defining moment, which takes me, you know, into

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being able to honestly say,

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even though there are, you know, 3 separate different crises, what I would

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call crisis in my life right now,

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I am so grateful to be so grounded

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and to be in alignment

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with the higher power within me.

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Whose perspective is very different than my human biology.

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Yeah. It's kind of, and it sounds crazy,

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right? I know, and it's surreal. And

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in those moments when I find myself slipping, it's like, wait a minute,

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this is the practice. And in the past, I used to judge

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myself and I used to go, you know, say to myself,

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well, what's wrong with you? Like, why this is still here? And it's like, well,

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so it's like a, a total, I wanna

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say, viewpoint

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perspective. And it does take

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practice and repetition. So what I love what you're

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up to, and we're on similar paths here, is

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to be so in alignment with your personal conviction

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that no matter what happens in life, you

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know you're exactly where you need to be. And that

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is priceless. Yeah. And this sort of

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feeds into what we were chatting about before we started recording about this

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conviction piece, right? It's like, you know,

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to have that unwavering, I love that unwavering trust.

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And I know I've been questioned many times in the past. I've got a lot

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of girlfriends going, wow, I feel really inspired about what you're doing

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because you have this capacity to just drive it. And I feel like a

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lot of that for me actually

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came from doing life the

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hard way. Yes. As you know as

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well, like you've experienced this of like judging

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yourself and going through that, like that process of like,

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you know, oh, I could have been a better person here and da da da.

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And, you know, I think that just

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sheer forcing and willing and I

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say pushing shit uphill through a lot of my

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life has actually helped

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me, supported me in being the person I am today. Because if I

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hadn't have gone through all that stuff, because I don't have any regrets about all

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the trauma, everything, there's a lot of stuff there, but it has

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actually helped me to

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build this resilience. Now

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it's not a resilience where I'm overriding myself, but it's a resilience

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of trust and certainty and conviction and a certainty

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that I know myself. I love myself. I trust myself

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enough to know that I've got me because at the end of the day,

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take everything else away. We're really,

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I say on our own. I know collectively we're all together, but it's just that

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our journey with the creator and our

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personal relationship that we have. And it's

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cultivating that. And so I know so many, I would say

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people, but I work with women. And so women really

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struggle with this questioning of themselves, but we have this

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innate wisdom within us, this divine compass

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that is there. And tuning into that is the

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frequency, tuning into that is the practice.

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And then we often steer from that and

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start overriding and caregiving too much. And then we

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can go into the opposite side of things where we start having resent and all

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these sorts of things. So this, I feel like it's a really,

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it feels like we're walking a tightrope sometimes, right?

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You know, so it's like how in your life and in your work

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and what you've seen with the leaders you work with and even with

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yourself, because obviously it's that journey of the self to get to where we are

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now, now to be working with others. Yeah. people the way we do.

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You know, what have been those really slippery moments where you've

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just, it's kind of been on that edge of making that decision

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of it's this side or this side sort of thing.

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And I hope that makes sense. I just, there's just so much in that. It's

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really juicy. So take that wherever you want to take that.

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Yes. When you, when you've walked these paths, it

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makes sense. There's juice there. So if we can kind of bring, ground that in

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and ground that down for,

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you know, some of the ladies out there, you know, how can we,

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how can we ground this in for them so that we're speaking the language

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of where they might be right now? They might be just on that threshold of

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where you and I and many women have been. And so

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how, how do we support ourselves? How do we,

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how do we not repeat it, repeat those patterns?

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Exactly. Exactly. So what I have

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found to be very, very helpful for me is to

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think of life like a movie and to

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take a step back and watch myself.

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And there's something called the tension of opposites.

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Yeah. And so, as I was thinking about this and I put my

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program together and my system of, oh, oh,

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it's It's like, if life is

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a movie, it's like a, you know how we have nighttime dreams?

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Well, if we look at our waking life as

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like a dream, only it's real. Yeah.

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We're not, you know, and yet we are creating this

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reality based on our perception. Our perception may be

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clear or it may be somewhat confused.

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If we go back to biology and physiology,

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our primal brain has one agenda, just to keep

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us safe. That's it. So using the analogy of a

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movie, I began to realize, oh, is my

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life a Gong Show, a horror show, or the epic

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adventure of my life? Because— What a great question.

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That's a good one to reflect upon out there, listeners. Great. Are

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you living a horror movie or what? No, thank you.

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It reminds me when I was giving birth to my

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first son. I was in such agony. I had back labor and I

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bent over. My knees are on a stool. I'm bent over on the bed.

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I'm pulling my hair out. And no kidding, I had the experiences

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of this, like, oh my, I'm stuck in a

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B-movie and I can't get out because of the amount

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of pain I screamed out. Oh

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my gosh. It was a terrible feeling. I can't get

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out of this, right? Like, I'm like, so anyway. You're in it.

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Yeah. So, so I have found that to be so powerful

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because, you know, when we're, when we're emotionally triggered,

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it's like, whoa, you know, and, and then to be able to

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use the breath as a pattern interrupt, come back and go, wait a minute,

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take a step back. And so, You know, I've

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created this intuitive leadership quiz where we're looking

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at movie as metaphor and, you know, what is

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your leading archetype right now? So is it the

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stressed out actor on the stage or

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is it the one who's really owning presence? So, you know, these different

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archetypes will come into play where we have these,

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you know, like cut. Act 1, scene 2.

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Um, I love this because it sounds— this, this to me, and this

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really feeds into what I bring a lot of as well, is around play.

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Yeah. Connecting with joy. And so as soon as you said, are you being

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like an actor on the stage or are you, you know, you're cool, calm, and

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collected. It's, it's a wonderful opportunity for us to really step

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outside of ourselves and just, and watch, you

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know, watch the thoughts, what's going on here. You know, I kind of have

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this thing of where. I'm taking, it's a little bit like your

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movie, uh, you know, watching the movie of our life

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where I take myself out of myself and kind of take a wider

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view and look in and, and go, okay, how am I behaving

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here? What is happening in this moment? Am I responding

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or am I reacting? You know, so this, this is wonderful.

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It sounds super playful. Tell me more about this, this, what,

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what you're doing with these archetypes. This sounds really interesting. Yeah. Well,

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I love them. You know, I've studied Carl Jung and the

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psychology of spiritual awakening. And

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I just love this reminder

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that we are, we not only have our personal

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consciousness, but we are part of a collective consciousness.

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And these archetypal energies are very real. And we're in the middle,

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if we're really close to a breakthrough, That's when

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it's, we're in a very vulnerable state, a

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powerful state, yet a vulnerable one, because that's

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when archetypal energies can become really activated.

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And when that happens, the key difference is

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to be aware of the archetypal energies rather than become

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them. So to use an example,

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You know, with everything I've gone through in my life,

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one of the

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leading archetypes, again, I wanna come back to the

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actor, is because when people are on your

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stage, we can look at them as

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being, oh, there they go again, they're triggering me. Well, they wouldn't be

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triggering you if you didn't already have something inside you to be triggered.

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Yeah, right. So then it's very

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humbling when you go, ooh. And so

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this is where I think 2 things really, really help when we're in the

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middle of really difficult transformation, uh,

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because I don't think we need to

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make it as difficult and painful as we do. That's been

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my big lesson. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think there's

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just, there's a real opportunity for us to you know,

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look at like, let's go for say the triggering when you're triggered and

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it can be so easy to say, oh, that person is triggering me or

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I'm activated by this over there or whatever. But in

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actual fact, that is an opportunity to, it is a total

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opportunity to go inward, to go, oh, this

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is actually, thank you. Actually, thank you so much.

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Because this is an opportunity to, for me to see where there's more

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work to do and That's going to be prickly as

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hell. Sometimes it's really uncomfortable,

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but it's in those uncomfortable moments where we grow the most.

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And sometimes it's hard to really look at ourselves in the mirror, right, Cheryl? And

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just take stock and really look at

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that for what it is. And often it can be a partner who's

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someone very close to us. I know, you know, sort of bringing it

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back to women traveling through midlife and the

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journey they're navigating through with all the changes, there's so

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much going on, and that we can be quite triggered from

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children, from loved ones, from partners, from friendship groups.

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And, you know, and so finding,

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you know, how we can support ourselves and connecting with how we can

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support ourselves in that and knowing that there's

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always room for growth. There's always room

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for more. And, you know, I guess that

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brings me to the point of having conversations

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with people around us that can be a little bit uncomfortable. You know,

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when you're triggered and you've got this happening in your life, Cheryl, you know, what

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is some of the things you think people, what women can do in those

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situations, especially navigating really big change? Because we, we both

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know how time-consuming that is and how energetically draining

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that can be as well. What are some of the things people can do practically

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to help support themselves? themselves during this

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time? You know, what are some of the practical

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tools and suggestions you might have that might be

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about the archetypes or might movie in the mind type

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thing? You know, what advice have you got there?

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Yeah, that's such a good question. And

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if I had my life to live all over again, this is the

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advice I would give myself, which is what my

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archetype system is about. Looking at your

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life as a movie is a really, really powerful tool because

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it creates some distance from the emotion that's taking you over.

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So when we observe something, we've

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removed the energetic attachment.

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Hmm. And we calm down the nervous system.

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And so even just You know, taking a step back, look at your life

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as a movie, just take a deep breath. The breath

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is powerful because as soon as we begin to breathe

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more consciously with more awareness, we're triggering our

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nervous system that it's okay. We're okay.

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When that happens, now anything is possible.

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The part that felt disconnected and in panic can

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come back home. It can come back to center. It can feel safe. And

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when we feel safe, then

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whatever was causing the problem, now we have access to solutions

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that we couldn't see before. So my

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greatest piece of advice really is, okay, if this was a movie,

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watch it. You can pretty much predict what's going to

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happen if you stay where you are. Mm-hmm. And then

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learn self-regulation, learn those self-regulation tools

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because they will literally save your bacon. They'll save your life, truly.

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And one of the fast-track ways of doing that I have found in my experience

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is to bring myself back to gratitude for what I do

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have. Mm-hmm. Because the primal brain is

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consumed with what it doesn't have.

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And that will lead to

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paralysis, it'll lead to numbness, or it'll lead

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to overreaction. So for me, it was

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life-changing looking at my life as a movie. And even before I

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knew and understood all the neuroscience, even when I was younger,

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I had that ability within me naturally. Going into

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a job interview, I'd pretend I already had the job. And I mean,

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It works. So it does work. It

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works. And it's like, oh, well, if it works and I know it

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works. So here's another really key piece

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is gratitude helps you appreciate what you've already

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accomplished. So with gratitude, you're coming

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from strength, not trying to get to it. You're

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coming from a prosperity consciousness, rather than

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trying to get to it. And one of the things I've certainly learned and

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discovered the hard way is the more you really want something, the more pressure

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you can put on yourself and the more you're actually pushing it away rather than

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bringing it in. Absolutely. And I feel like you can

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end up falling into the category of

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procrastination. Yes. I find

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whenever I've been in that spot in the past, it's the energy levels drop, you

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start to feel tired, you start to get distracted.

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And so I feel like they're sort of the body speaking and they're

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markers and signals and signs to

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say something needs to shift and perhaps I'm not in

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alignment right now. Would you say, would you agree with that, Cheryl?

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Absolutely. And in the past, for

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example, I'm working with one client right now. In the

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past, he would have disregarded that. And now I'm saying, no, no, no, pay

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attention. And so now when he pays attention, he goes, Oh

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my, I'm seeing things I never saw before. And I said, that's

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right, because you were honoring your body's

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wisdom. And we intellectualize

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so much these days. So it's just something as simple as saying,

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you know, where in my body is this energy being held?

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Gets us out of the ruminating mind and gets us into

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the activation so that this energy can move through, which frees us from the

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procrastination. and the

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self-sabotage and all those things,

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which in a way is really useful

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biofeedback. And that was the other big thing that I just so

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love. I have to say this out loud. What if procrastination and

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self-sabotage, rather than judging them,

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what if we looked at them as biofeedback tools?

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100%. Letting us know that somewhere, oh,

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I agree with you so much here, Cheryl. Like, we're speaking the same language

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and I'm, I'm loving this because it, it speaks so

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to the audience that's listening, to the women who are

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really in, in that space of perhaps not listening

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to the, the body's wisdom enough. Yes. And, or

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have been overriding it. I know that's been a big thing

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for me, not me personally, but the What I've been speaking a lot about

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lately is the override and we override those

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messages. But that all of that, the procrastination,

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all of the things where we go, oh, we're out of alignment, it's a time

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to listen. And it's, it's a big call

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to come within and to change

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things and start to shift things. And like you were saying, Cheryl, come back to

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the breath. It's a really basic thing that we can all do. It's something

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that we do. on autopilot, otherwise we wouldn't be here

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today, you know, but to actually become a little bit

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more conscious about how we're breathing and slowing that

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down and coming back into rhythm and

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balance. Is there any other, any other

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tips or practical tools that you

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can, you can offer our listeners today, Cheryl, where

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it feeds into what you're offering and what you're sharing in the world

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and perhaps this piece around where we

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might be experiencing the procrastination and overriding the

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system. Again, I would bring it

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back to what

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lens am I looking through? Again, am I looking through the lens of

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judgment or am I looking through the lens of

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Yeah. One of the things about an open and closed mindset,

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which will make or break us, is a closed

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mindset is very concerned about

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image, very concerned about

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not wanting to appear vulnerable or

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not wanting to appear as if not knowing something. Whereas a

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mindset would rather learn and grow. And

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it's interesting, you know, when you study again the neuroscience

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and some of the most successful companies in the world, I forget

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which company this is, but it only hires people who have had

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massive failures in business. Yeah, I love it.

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Because they know that they've learned something and they're still willing to try. Yeah,

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absolutely. Versus someone who, you know, has this track of,

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you know, super successful. And

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I just love this story that that opened up for me

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because I thought, wow, there's so much

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anxiety performance, I think, on all of us. I think we grew up

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with it. And so there's a fear of being wrong. There's a fear of making

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a mistake. There's a fear of not knowing enough. And

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so there's this stigma of perfection

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that we all are consumed by or

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surrounded by. And look at the

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commercialism and the consumption. You know,

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we're surrounded by needing to

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be better than we are. Well, what if we're already good enough?

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Yeah. And what if we haven't appreciated that? And this is why

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gratitude's so important, because the very thing we want

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will push away if we're not coming from a gratitude for what we already

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have. Mm. And that right there

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is so powerful, what you just said around gratitude.

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And I feel that we,

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like you say about the commercialism and everything and what's happening where

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we're just comparing ourselves to others on

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platforms where that's not people's real life. Like that's not what's actually

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going on for people. That's not what they're really like at home.

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And, and so we're. striving to be

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something that is actually really unrealistic and it's not obtainable.

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It's not sustainable in any way, shape, or form.

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And so it's like, what if you're already good enough?

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You know, what, what you, what if God has made you exactly

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the way you need to be right here, right now with everything you've been through,

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where you are, everything you're about to experience and accepting that.

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And I think there's this piece around brings it back to the

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trust. And how we step into transformation and trust

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is huge. But when we almost

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become, I'm going to use the word surrender, but it's more than that.

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There's this, it's, the word is humble.

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When we, we, we just, we

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soften and we open and we become humble

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to what is. Yes. And, and then

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really appreciate You know, oh my God,

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we have everything we need. I mean, I've, I feel

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like a queen. Do you know what I mean? And I've got a roof over

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my head. I've got food on my table. I've got clean water.

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I get to have a shower every day. And I mean, like, they're just basic

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survival things, but why are we not just

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bringing it back to basics and, you know, and

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feeling gratitude for All, all that and just

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the beauty of just eliminating all the other things,

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all the things we own and just going, why am I just not grateful that

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I've actually got food on my belly? There's people out there who won't

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get a meal tonight. They're not eating, you know,

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and, you know, we, we then kind of go,

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oh, but I don't have this widget or this, or I don't look good enough

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or. Mm-hmm. Yeah, just embracing

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ourselves for who we are and

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giving gratitude, like you say, Cheryl, it's so important.

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So, so important. If we don't, uh,

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start changing our ways, the

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voraciousness of this, uh,

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this infection of the mind will continue. And

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so this is where personal responsibility to live

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our joy. Nietzsche said, you have a noble duty to live

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your joy. And I love that. Absolutely.

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Because it's like we begin to realize, and

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again, let's look at life as a movie. As you observe your

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life right now and And when you bring

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gratitude for what you already have,

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there's a pressure release that takes place.

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And now you're taking, you're taking dictation

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from flourishing rather than

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separation or suffering. Mm-hmm. So

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my perspective is this, is that we're each creating our own reality.

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We think the world is out there, but it really isn't. The

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world is created from our thoughts, our

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perceptions, our actions, our feelings, our behaviors.

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So if that's the case, then,

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you know, heaven and hell are not places, they're states of mind.

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Mm-hmm. And I love what Helen Keller said. She said, I'm only one person, I

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can't do everything, But I will not refuse to do the one thing I can

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do. That is so beautiful. What a beautiful

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quote. Can you, can you say that again? Because I just want, I want the

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listeners to actually feel the energy of that. And if you're just

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listening, I just, I want to just say, like, sitting here with

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Cheryl, if you'll, you know, see her on video, if you do watch

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this visually, she's just like, she's just like an angel, a glowing

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angel, and she's just beautiful and she delivers her message so beautifully.

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So I don't want to lose the thread. So can you say that

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quote again for me, Cheryl? It was beautiful. Sure. And I'll

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take that. I will take that. She's a beautiful

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human, everybody. And I just, it's like there's

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so much yumminess happening here and there's so many different threads we could go down.

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So I just want to keep this container going.

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So, uh, I'll repeat the quote again and

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before I I'm just going to invite everybody.

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I remember sitting at my desk in the corporate world

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consumed by fear. And I

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remember saying to myself, one day I hope I can be

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free of this. And

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I am. And I didn't think I could ever be

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free of it. What I've come to recognize

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is that even fear has a place in

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transformation. And when we

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drop the judgment of anything,

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there's safe passage for everything to move through.

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And, you know, and it is, I feel the emotion of that even as I

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say it. So,

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In the words of Helen Keller, I'm only one person and I can't do

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everything, but I will not refuse to do the

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one thing that I can do.

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Just feel the energy of that. And so

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hand on heart. Yeah. Just breathing into

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that moment because we are all here. We've all got such

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a beautiful, special gift that we're here to bring.

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uniquely. And when we get out of our own way and we

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do the work, and as I like to say, hug the cactus.

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Hug the cactus. Yeah, it's a great one. I love it.

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My partner, I always say, are we going to hug the cactus, have a conversation,

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talk about the prickly bits? We have to, it's, there is

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still fear and there's still hugging the cactus, there's still prickliness.

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But it is so worth the journey and it is so

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worth taking the time to work on ourselves

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and overcoming and becoming that

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version of ourselves of, as you said in the quote,

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of doing that one thing. I'm doing that one thing that I'm here to do.

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And we all have that. And so we don't

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need to be taking someone else's IP

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or, you know, it's taking that time with

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ourselves, taking that time out to reflect and to

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breathe and to be with ourselves and to actually

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really discover who we are and what's going on within our

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landscape. And what movie are we playing,

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you know, and questioning that, you know, what is the

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movie we're playing and how can you shift that You, and like

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Cheryl's been saying, and I'm a true believer of this as well, it

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first has to be in thought before it can manifest

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in our, what we say, reality. And so what

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is, what am I thinking? What am I, what movie am I playing?

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And it's, we can all change that. Everybody has the ability

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to change that. Which is, which is why, you know, in the,

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uh, comparison of a movie, that's where the

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screenwriter comes in. And it's like, okay, let's

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write a different scene here. And now, and

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so we have all these different archetypal energies. You know, we've

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got the actor, the producer, the director, the audience, the screenwriter. And it's

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like, we have all of them and

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we'll lead predominantly from one or a combination.

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Yeah. And each will have their strength and each will have their shadow.

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And it's in the courage. And here's

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another key piece. If there were 3 words I think that

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are transformational in supporting

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positive change, the first would be

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courage. Mm-hmm. The second would be gratitude.

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And the third would be conviction. Yeah.

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And we put all these 3 together and we braid them together. That's a

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solid anchor that is actually indestructible.

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So in the movie of your life, again, it's

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like, well, if everything in life happens for

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me and not to me,

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what choice will I make next?

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What's that next Very simple step for me. And

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sometimes it's so simple we miss it.

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Absolutely. You know, simplicity is truth.

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Complexity quite often is

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ego masquerading as

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intelligence. Absolutely. And

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I think what you've just said right there is a really

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wonderful wonderful piece

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of not needing to overcomplicate those next steps.

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And when we bring it into the subtlety of just

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fine-tuning and simplifying, and that

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next step could possibly be

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making a cup of tea and sitting with a journal or whatever it is,

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you know, or phoning a friend and having a conversation. It doesn't have to

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be complicated, but

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just in that awareness of, of

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noticing where you are, first of all, and then

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acknowledging and saying, I, I can make this

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change. I have the courage to make this change. And I

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trust in the process.

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And Mm-hmm. Putting one step in front of the other with the

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conviction and intention, because when we send those mixed

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signals of stepping back and going, oh, I know I've done that many

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times in my life. I step in with the ambition and I'm, it's

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very different now for me. I must say, listeners, it's a very different game,

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ballgame. But just the conviction piece is so important

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because we're, we're sending the signal to the universe

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that. We're showing up.

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And so then, like Cheryl said, it's, we're braiding these all together.

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You take courage, it's a, you take the step, you

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trust in the process, you take the step forward,

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you're braiding all those together, and then you've got this solid anchor.

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And I think that is just wonderful advice. And it sounds

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so simple, but it's not always that

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easy, as we know. And you can repeat this process, like we can be repeating

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this process. And I know also just bringing

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this back to, in my recent book I just released, it's, I

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talk a lot about this as well. So that's why I say we're

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totally on the same page. It's such a beautiful conversation right now.

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And I just also appreciate that you put this into a book. And I,

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you know, I know what it takes to take something out of the

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ethers and put it into physical form. That in itself,

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is not only a birthing process, but a

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demonstration of transformation. It's a

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demonstration of abundance

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because you've taken something out of nothing. And I

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haven't read your book yet. I'm going to order it after we're done

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this call because based on this conversation,

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what you're working with is

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It's like this breath of fresh air

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where we're living in a time of

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humanity's history that is so critical.

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Absolutely. And I so appreciate you for what you're doing

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and what you're up to here. Yeah, and right back at you

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as well. Like, this is, I feel like there's just this

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mirror reflection thing happening between us today. It's really beautiful.

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Just, I'm so, so grateful. I

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want to speak a little bit into when we don't be afraid of

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exposure is the message I want to share as well, because

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like you, Cheryl, the work you're putting into the world, we, we

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have to show up really vulnerably and share pieces of ourselves.

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And it's okay that things aren't perfect. They don't have to be

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perfect. And because I know from

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self-publishing a book, it's a lot of work, but I go through it and go,

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oh yeah, there's improved needed here. There's probably a few little mistakes, but allowing

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that to be seen and allowing yourself to be a little bit exposed

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and be in that vulnerability, um, is really

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important for your growth as well. Because you, yeah,

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you have that sense of gratitude and you, you become humble in that

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and go, oh, and you're just allow, allow

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it to all just be as it needs to be and let it go.

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Well said, well spoken. I think if anything, our only

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job is to just let go, really.

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Um, you know, there's a beautiful prayer that I

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will often say to myself. Dear

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God, help me accept the truth about

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myself no matter how wonderful it is.

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Oh, I love that prayer. I've got that actually written

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down somewhere. And I'll share, I'm going to share that prayer

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actually in the notes, the show notes, because that is such a

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beautiful prayer. So simple and so

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true. You know, instead of going, oh, you know, the truth about myself, no matter

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how bad it is, like you just turn it into this, how

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wonderful it is. So you're constantly opening up to

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opportunity and possibility instead of,

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you know, it's that natural default we have as human beings there.

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Yeah. You know, the Velcro and the Teflon example where we,

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you know, we naturally have a negative bias, you know,

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towards the negative. And it does, it's a, it

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takes work to turn that ship around and it's an

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everyday thing. So yeah, listeners, you

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need to start saying this prayer to yourself every day because it's a beautiful

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prayer. It's beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful.

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And so, Cheryl, this is, I think this is a

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lovely note to, joyous note to start to wrap up on.

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But I have, I do have a question for you.

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And that is, if the

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wisest, most radiant part of you could speak to the woman

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you are becoming now, what would she want you to know?

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I love that question. I

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think she'd want me to know that having fun

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is the elixir of life.

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Oh, yes. I love that. And that a

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sense of humor will take us out of the

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seriousness of ourselves and

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self-compassion.

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will free us from

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deceptive thinking.

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Mm. That's like mic drop right there.

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That's beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.

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And I must say that you are looking absolutely radiant.

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Well, I look forward to watching this after because I'm just so in the

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zone here of So think

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of it this way. It's like, it's

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like, um, you know, long, long time

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ago in a galaxy far, far

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away. And the two of us

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meet and, and, and the

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connection's like this. And all of a sudden we're on a podcast together and it's

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like, whoa.

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And it's so great to be able to come together like this and let, let

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it just roll with whatever it is and,

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and have these conversations and laugh and cry and get it, get intimate and

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deep. And, and that's what this is all about. It really

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is. It's what this is all about. It's just beautiful.

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And so before we finish, Cheryl,

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Where is the best place for listeners to find you and explore more of

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your work? Tell us a little bit more about that. Absolutely.

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Well, I would love to hear anyone who listened to this podcast

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from you. You can find me at theintuitivelife.com

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and I have a

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quiz for everyone who's listening to— Sounds

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exciting. Yeah, it's called

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intuitiveleadershipquiz.com and that's when you can find out

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more about the archetype

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that's currently in charge of your life and how you can better—

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I think we all need to take this quiz, by the way, ladies. I

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think there's a lot of value here.

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And, you know, I think that that sense of play in what you

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bring as well with the archetypes is wonderful. There's an

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invitation there for some more play. And so I will

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put all of this in the show notes and all of this wonderful juiciness

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that we've shared today. But Cheryl, thank you. I've loved

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this conversation and it really has

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anchored in and reminded me of

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the work you're doing, but what we're doing together, as in

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my work as well, and how important and it's

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needed in the world. And so I can't

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thank you enough. This conversation has been awesome.

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It's just been heart-centered and I

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have so much gratitude for you showing up with me here

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today and sharing this message.

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Thank you. I think you've created a joy magnet in your podcast here

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today. It's a joy magnet.

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Yay. Oh, you're an amazing human. And so

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I think in closing, let's sort of something for the listeners

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to come back to and reflect upon from what we've been

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talking about. And so I invite you

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today to take what we've said with all the

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pieces around courage and trust

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and conviction. And

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so where in your life have you been

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asking for certainty? And where can

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you trust yourself a little bit more? You know, where, where can you

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create change? And reflecting on this, perhaps grabbing a

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cup of tea and your journal and just really taking

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this into your, into your body and your heart and

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just noticing where you might need more certainty and where you can

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trust yourself a little bit more deeply with that. And

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so if you want to connect in the community and connect with

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Thank you. Thank you so much, Cheryl. I'll pop everything in the show notes.

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And you can join, if you want to join the Sacred She Reset community,

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I will have all the links here as well where you can connect in and

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find more of these conversations. And I look forward to seeing you

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next time.